S2EP47-Ebi Oginni-Singing for Souls: How Ebi Uses Music to Empower Families

Herb: 00:00:19

Today I have the pleasure of introducing Ebi Oginni. AB is a Nigerian born Irish singer songwriter who has dedicated her time to bringing healing to the people around her.

She currently balances working as a pediatrician during the day and writing songs during her free time to bring hope and healing to her listeners. Ebi is also an inspirational speaker with a unique twist. She combines powerful speeches with heartfelt music.

She's a chart topping contemporary gospel artist in the UK and the charismatic host of Fulfilled Musicpreneur podcast. Beyond her individual accomplishments, Ebi is deeply committed to collective well being.

She she's currently spearheading the Harmony and Healing project aimed at arming young people and their families with essential coping mental health skills. With her unique blend of joy, perseverance and faith, AB is not just a speaker, she's a transformational experience waiting to happen.

That is a beautiful bio. Thank you for joining us today. It is a pleasure to have you here.

Ebi Oginni: 00:01:29

Thank you so much for having me.

Kristina: 00:01:32

We were laughing right before we actually turned on the recording that there's so many different countries listed in your bio. The Irish singer.

Herb: 00:01:39

Yeah, the Nigerian Irish singer with a UK contemporary.

Kristina: 00:01:43

So we now lives in Canada now.

Herb: 00:01:45

And currently in Canada.

Ebi Oginni: 00:01:46

So we have definitely, you know, multinational, definitely international and I love and that's.

Kristina: 00:01:55

One of the best things we love about this podcast. Our podcast bringing education home is because we do get to speak with speakers all over the world. Right? Our podcast is international.

We've had speakers from everywhere and the biggest thread that goes through every single one of them is, is that our speakers, our guests are heart centered, helping families up level make that next step to figure out what they can do to make their children healthy, happy and successful. So thank you again for being here. I am looking forward to this.

Ebi Oginni: 00:02:24

Yeah, it's such a pleasure to be here honestly. Thanks for having me.

Herb: 00:02:27

Normally when we start we ask about how you got started, how you found your passion. How did a Nigerian born person start English or Irish? Singing, singing, songwriting, that, that you know as the start of your bio.

That's a really interesting juxtaposition. So let's start with how you got started. How did you, how did you get into your passion?

Ebi Oginni: 00:02:50

Yeah, so I've always loved music, I've always loved singing.

I come from a family of singers and I grew up in a home where wibbled have a family time every night, you know, chat about the day but spend some time singing worship songs and pray together. And I didn't actually realize that this wasn't commonplace. But we will all be harmonizing like Every single one of us were just.

We just did it naturally without any sort of training. It was second place to us. We loved it. We will prepare songs randomly to just go sing in church. They'll be like, welcome the tons. We were.

My family name was Tom, so welcome to tons. And we will go and sing a song. And we just. We just loved it.

And I always knew I wanted to be a doctor from, I think, the age of three years, because I remember my aunt getting me, you know, the. The toy ambulances, the ones that came with the toy stethoscope and syringes where you got to listen to people, people's hearts and.

And I remember doing that as little as three. So I always knew I wanted to be a doctor. So started on really early, right?

Went to medical school in Dublin and started to work there as a doctor, Became Irish there before I left to the uk. And in the uk, that's when the pandemic hit. And at the time, I was studying pediatrics to be. To become.

I was in my residential training and I started to really feel like I was being called to do more with my music. At the time, I thought music was going to be something I just did in church on a Sunday.

I've always been in the choir or on the worship team, and I just thought that was going to be it, really. And then I started to feel called to write music to bring people hope during the pandemic, because that was such a hard time, Right.

So that's how that got started. And I. I'm sorry, can you hear the kids? Good, Because I can hear them be.

Kristina: 00:05:21

Fine if we did family first. Family.

Herb: 00:05:23

This is a family show. Yeah, all good.

Ebi Oginni: 00:05:28

So I started to release music and my first public announcement, if you will, about my music was that I was gonna release an album called Hope to bring hope to people so they will keep going no matter what. That. That was how it all started.

album called Hope came out in: 2022

Should I go ahead and tell that, that story?

Kristina: 00:06:17

Yeah, keep going.

Ebi Oginni: 00:06:18

Yeah. So I was at clinic one day and I had just finished seeing a patient.

I was doing paperwork, waiting for the next one to turn up, and we had the alarm buzzer go off, like the emergency alarm, and we knew that, you know, something was happening. So as you. As you old, you run out Follow the signs, you know.

And it was actually right the office next to mine, and it was my boss seeing a patient whose dad had collapsed. So we all run into the room and the nurses were trying to do his BP and check his blood sugar. And I noticed this man on.

Lying on the floor, and I noticed that he was crying, so I thought maybe he'd come around, maybe he'd collapsed, come around, and was embarrassed and was now crying, but he was saying something. So I got on my knees, put my ear, my ears next to his mouth, and I'm like, what? And he says, she said she's gonna kill herself and who, Who?

And he says, my wife. That's when I realized that it wasn't really a medical emergency. It was a life emergency, you know, and, oh, my heart. I was like, what to do?

What to do? And then my boss had said he had been walking up and down the hallway before he was called in with his son.

And he'd been on the phone and he'd been trying to call the cops to do a drive by wellness check. But looking at him on the. On the ground crying, it honestly looked like he was mourning, right? He.

He was weeping like he'd lost her already, like he had no hope. And he will cry, cry, and then all of a sudden he'll be like, oh, my goodness, it's time to get the kids. Who's gonna get the kids from school?

And this fresh wave of tears will start again. It was. It was hard. It was. It was heartbreaking. And then in the middle of all of that, people running around, and he's an adult, right?

And we are pediatricians, we can actually run medical check on him.

We were waiting for the adult team to arrive at clinic to come collect him, you know, but in the middle of all that chaos, you know how chaotic emergencies can be. I see his son sitting, watching all of that, and it was. I was like. It felt like he'd been struggling with this for a while.

This was not the first time this had happened. It was. He was at his wits end with, with all of it. He. He just looked broken. His. His wife was okay, thankfully.

But that just really brought home to me that the fact that people were struggling and you could be working with them, you could see them every day, you could be sitting right next to them, you know, and have no clue until something like, like that happens, right? And imagine the impact on this boy who'd been watching his dad go through this maybe over and over again.

So I. I left home that day and I'm sort of person that sometimes takes things on. We're not meant to, but it's. It's hard to. To not. To not do it.

I remember walking around feeling like I was walking under a great cloud for days, this heavy cloud, and I couldn't engage. It just felt like I was disconnected. And. And when. When something like that happens, you need to walk through it, right.

And I started to feel like I needed to do something about it and finally ended up writing a song out of it. And the song essentially was the voice of the dad, the sort of things he could say if he was able. His story that the.

The chorus of the song says, it feels like I'm drowning. Someone throw me a lifeline I don't know how much longer I can sustain this.

Someone throw me a lifeline the waves are crashing over me I'm crying out Someone throw me a lifeline, you know. And that's how I got into writing for Mental Wellness as well.

And I've released a lot of songs right now around it, and the album comes out later this year in November.

Kristina: 00:11:39

Wow, that's a powerful story. And you're so right. You know, we don't know. We don't know what's happening in somebody else's head.

You know, there's somebody else who says that, you know, if you could have a label across their head and let you know what.

What's going on or what just happened to them right before you met them, you might think differently how you're acting or how you're talking to them or whatever. Right. We've had some dark times together, similar.

And it's like, oh, my gosh, it's powerful because people didn't know that I would be at work, you know, with the kids. I was a teacher, and, you know, I would be worried about something else that was happening at home instead.

And, yeah, it was just one of those things.

Herb: 00:12:17

So that part of the story is I suffered a series of traumatic brain injuries. The last one kind of took my life apart in. Life got really, really dark. I lost my business. I had to fire my employees.

I ended up going into bankruptcy. So I lost everything but her. So it got really, really dark. And so that world, and it was really, really difficult to come out of it.

And I was going to say that when I did finally turn the corner and started climbing out of the darkness, music helped me keep going.

And I can still name a couple of songs that when I hear them today, I still almost tear up because it's like there was One day I played a song for like, 18 hours straight because there was a couple of verses in that that just kept me focused enough that made me want to stay here on this planet just a little bit longer. So. Yeah. So it's not a joke.

Ebi Oginni: 00:13:16

Wow. Thank you so much for sharing that. That is the power of music. And I think one of.

One of our jobs as songwriters is to be the voice to people that may be going through, but not have the words to say, because it's really powerful when you come across a song that's. That connects with you, you know? So thank you so much. That. That.

That really blesses me, you know, the fact that you're like, I played the song 18 times in a row because it was my lifeline.

Kristina: 00:13:50

I'm like.

Herb: 00:13:51

It was. It was 18 hours. It was more like a hundred or 200 times in a row. It. It was on repeat.

I couldn't get away from it because it was like, when it stopped playing, I started hurting.

Ebi Oginni: 00:14:02

And it's like, that is the power of music. That is why I do what I do. And thank you so much. That. That is beautiful. Yeah.

Kristina: 00:14:10

So help us make that connection, right?

Because you're teen, mental health is kind of your focus, where you really like to be, and how do you use the music or how does the music kind of help them as you're working with them? Let's make that connection a little bit stronger for our audience who's listening.

Ebi Oginni: 00:14:26

Yeah. So I started out just trying to help everyone, right? But at work, I was seeing a lot of teenagers struggling.

So some of my songs were written because I was like, oh, my goodness, how do I help these teenagers? So a lot of it is the sort of help that you only hear about when you meet people like her. Who says, this song was a lifeline to me. Right?

Because you literally. Just. So I will. I may be in a consultation and meet a family where the teenager is struggling, the. The dad is struggling.

And a story may be people who were struggling took an overdose, but couldn't tell their parents that they were struggling. And in my head, I'm like, can. Can you not open up? Because there's generally a lead up to this.

They've been struggling for a while about something, right? And the parents may not know or may know and not know what to do. So you have two. Two groups, right?

And sometimes the relationship itself may be problematic. So the teenager actually struggles to connect to the parents because. Because it's so chaotic and they might end up fighting about something, right.

Herb: 00:15:59

Going to brain Science is about that too, because it's like your children learn from you, they watch you. They develop the same habits and patterns for the first six years.

So if you have a problem that you don't necessarily know and don't deal with, and then your child starts developing it at 15 or 16, it's like they learned it from you, and then they come to you for help, and it's a problem you've had for a lot longer. And then you go into your feels and. And it's like, oh, there's shame, there's guilt because I haven't dealt with this. And then how.

And then that doesn't necessarily always come out equitably when your children are trying to do with it, because suddenly it's like, oh, this is my problem, and I'm angry and I'll take, you know, lots of stuff. Lots of stuff right there having to do with that on all sides.

So pretty much every problem a child has is a result of something that their children are doing. Children's problems are their parents problems. It's just. That's what they learn. That's the habits. That's what they see. That's what they know.

How can they know more than what they've been taught and they learn from their parents? So, yeah.

Ebi Oginni: 00:17:09

Wow. So I will go home after seeing a family in distress like this, you know, and I will wonder, is there something I can do? Is there a song I can write?

So.

So a song called Talk to Me came out of that situation where literally I could picture a child coming from maybe school and maybe had a rough day, but. But they struggled to open up. So it was literally saying, talk to me. You know, I. I see that. That you're going through something.

I see it all over your face.

Herb: 00:17:46

The.

Ebi Oginni: 00:17:46

The scars you try to hide from me there. I can still. I can still see them, you know? You know, you can tell me anything. No matter what. My love for you remains. So talk to me.

You can cry on my shoulder. Just talk to me, you know, so. So those are the lyrics of the song.

Herb: 00:18:16

And you wouldn't be able to tell your child that in two or three minutes, you wouldn't be able to sit down and say that. So if you could play a song and have them keep hearing it and that. That.

Kristina: 00:18:27

There we go.

Herb: 00:18:28

And then. And then start doing that. Something really amazing is happening now is. Is I listen deeply to words in the songs and she doesn't.

So she's starting now to listen to words that she's playlist that she's heard for 20 or 30 years. And she goes, and now she's hearing the words and she goes, that's amazing. How it was like, I picked that song. That's why that song is there.

It's like, I don't.

Ebi Oginni: 00:18:52

Yes, absolutely. So I write these songs as an icebreaker. I write the songs to say the words that people can't say. And I'm hoping that parents use it as tools.

People use it as tools. Maybe even because I wrote it because I wanted to open up conversation between teenagers and their parents.

But you can absolutely use it for a friend. You know, your friend is struggling, but they won't open up to you.

You can send them the song and say, hey, I heard this song and I thought about you. And literally, you know, that, that, that might open up a conversation that might, that might just be the theme. That's. That's the conversation going.

Herb: 00:19:32

As a parent, they could just play that song on repeat until it irritates the kids to come talk.

Ebi Oginni: 00:19:39

Well, I mean, the, the parent and child could be fighting, literally, and someone else plays the songs and, you know, that brings them together and starts the conversation too. So the hope and the dream is that these songs are icebreakers and they're used in that way.

But another way I can actually use it in coaching sessions is to play it and then talk through the different lessons in the songs.

Kristina: 00:20:07

Yeah.

Ebi Oginni: 00:20:07

And when I do courses that. That's what I do as well, where I literally take a song and pick it apart, talk through the different.

And then actually also bring up maybe journaling prompts or questions, or even guided conversations between parents and child where, you know, and it's led. Right. This is another great way where parents can begin to also process things that they've been through.

Because if the course says, okay, tell your child a time when you've been resilient, you've gone through something and you stuck through it and came out on the other side, they might begin to have these conversations and that might also help them. But I love that it's also parent led. I really love getting parents involved in having this conversation.

So when I work with a family, I do not just work with a child. I really try to work with both and really get them in the same room to have that conversation. Because the whole premise is, I'm not a psychologist.

I really just want to give you the skills to use at home if you need extra professional help. There are people for that. I'm just more concerned about what you can do in your home because you live together.

You are the one with the most time in this child's life, and you have an amazing amount of power that, you know, you can really turn things around.

And just from going around speaking and having concerts and sharing these songs, I get that, you know, people are like, oh, thank you so much for this. This song really helped me. When I.

When I tell the story about people, maybe the reason, the stories behind the songs I get, people come up to me and say, hey, I was that child in the hospital with an overdose last week. Week. So thank you so much. Someone, an adult, came to me and said, hey, I. For me, it was my mom. My mom was my lifeline.

But even adults are still processing stuff through the songs. So that. That's. That's the dream, that's the hope, and that's how I intend to use the songs.

Kristina: 00:22:19

I absolutely love that. And, you know, we've also had another musician on the show before, and she was on the other side of that, right?

She's for the Littles, and she was talking about songs of confidence and self worth and self esteem and things like that. So music has this theme all the way through. Right.

Herb: 00:22:35

We also.

We also had a pianist, and he would have a pregnant couple crawl under the piano after talking to them and would improvise music for their family based on what they had and then record it. And then later, they would play that music for the child when it was acting up, and it would calm the children down so it became like their family.

So music is, like, incredibly, incredibly powerful. So it's also. You have to, like, watch out for it, too.

So you go through a bad breakup, and suddenly you're listening to lots and lots and lots of sad songs, and it just. It just crumbles in on you. And you might need to feel that that might be important. But then there's also a time where to transition from. From those.

From those things that make you cry to help you get rid of that energy out of your body, to transition back into hopeful music. So important.

Ebi Oginni: 00:23:31

So. But so I make it a point to always leave a hopeful note in my music. So. So the one that.

That talks about, the one called Lifeline, I didn't just end with this guy crying out, saying, I'm drowning. Someone throw me a lifeline. I'm crying out, Someone throw me a lifeline. The bridge talks about what you can do to be the lifeline.

Yeah, so it says, tell me it'll all be all right. You'll get through this. This too shall pass. Check on me Say a prayer for me. And. And it gives you things that you can do.

And I was like, that is so important. Because this guy who was saying, oh, my goodness, who's gonna pick the kids from school?

Like, we had to be ringing the school to say, look, I'm really sorry, there's an emergency. Teachers have to stay with the kids. We're gonna get people to you as soon as we can, but, you know, stay there.

But imagine if he had people that he knew he could call to say, hey, my wife is struggling again. I'm in a hospital with my other kid. Can you go get the kid you don't need?

So I think a lot of people feel overwhelmed really easily when it comes to conversations around mental health. They're like, oh, my goodness, I'm already overwhelmed. I already have my own stuff I can't take on anymore.

And I tell people, your job is not to solve people's problems. It's just to be there.

And you honestly do not need any more training to go pick someone's kids from school or to even say, I'll stay with the kids while you go to the hospital and be with your wife. You know, just being there, just being a human being can go a long way. And sending a text, sending a text can go a long way.

How many times have we felt really lonely and we just wished someone could just call and say, hey, I just wanted to check in. And it meant the world to us at that time. Right? So that is my message to people.

I'm like, hey, you do not need to be the world's greatest world problem solver, you know? No, you just need to be there. So I make. I make sure to put things like this in my song. So it just doesn't leave you down. It brings you up as well.

It gives you hope, and it gives you something to actually hang on to. So, yeah, that's such an important point.

Herb: 00:26:10

Yeah.

Kristina: 00:26:10

One of the things that.

That brings up to me and that we've kind of talked about as we've gone through these different things, is that we always, you know, the people are trying to help always say, oh, let me know if you need anything. But when that person is down in that space, they can't say anything usually.

So it's more incumbent on us who are feeling well, like you said, to reach out, to send that lifeline, to say, hey, do you need anything? Because I know sometimes you have your ups and downs.

So just a message of a little thought there, you know, you offer to help, but they can't reach out sometimes.

Ebi Oginni: 00:26:44

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And that is why I'm creating a couple of courses.

You know, one is like the one I said where I really just want to start conversations between parents and teenagers around mental health skills. But the other one that I wanted to offer to people is called Bridging the gap.

And it helps you have conversations with another person when they're in crisis because you could say, oh, I don't know what to say.

Or one of the worst things you can do also is to just say you need to go to the hospital, you need to go to the doctor, because that's an hour with the doctor. You're still gonna come back home, you still need to know what to say and what to do. And, and I'm like, this is so important.

So I created a course around that. Just step by step things that you can say, how to incorporate it into your family schedules and just have daily check ins and things that you can do.

Because it breaks my heart when I see parents and they just feel helpless. They don't understand.

You know, I, A dad brought his teenager to a hospital and she had been cotton, but then there was a particular particularly deep one that needed some dressings and, and stitches and he was, he. So this has been going on for over a year and he's still like really confused, like, why is she doing this? Why does she want to cut off her arm?

Why is she doing this? And I'm like, this has been happening for over a year and no one has still tried to explain to you what is going on in your teenager's mind?

Like, how is that happening? And so we think that the, the solution for, for many families that are struggling is you need professional help.

But actually that is not enough for a lot of people. People.

Kristina: 00:28:43

No, it's not.

Herb: 00:28:43

Yeah. So when I, when I hurt myself, what helped me come, come around the corner was using psychedelic medicines. So, so psychedelics helped save my life.

And, and through that process I became a psychedelic integration coach. And so in this life coaching space there, there's a lot of parents who send their kids off to be fixed.

Kristina: 00:29:05

Off to therapy or off to therapy.

Herb: 00:29:07

And it's like, okay, so I, my kid's not acting how I think they should, so I want them to go therapy, I want them to have a coach, whatever.

So, and so even in this place where the girl is cutting herself, it's like she is trying to deal with the problem and she doesn't know how to deal with that problem. Why does she not know how to deal with the problem because her, her parents don't know how to deal with the problem. So they see her problem.

They don't know how to deal with her problem either. So you know, it's, it's not necessarily that they're ignoring it. It's. It's the same problem, but they're cutting maybe not isn't physical.

So, so the thing is, is you have the parents, the parents got to go in.

Ebi Oginni: 00:29:52

Yes.

Herb: 00:29:52

Child has a problem, the parents have to start figuring out where it is in them so that they can then help their children gain the tools.

Ebi Oginni: 00:30:01

It just highlighted this, this lack of knowledge. You will think that if your child had a problem, you will immediately start to research and find out what could be going on.

So if my child has an eating disorder, I will start to research what, what cost it and what can I do but for a year of self harm and to not know that they're struggling. They're doing this because they are trying to feel something. They're trying to. This is, this is their way of coping.

And this is what we call negative coping skills. Right? These are the coping skills that are not going to help you. You need to develop positive coping skills. Right. And you need to give them that.

You know, but in my head I was, there was a dissonance. I was like, you still cannot understand your child a year after they started to self harm.

And I'm like, so, so I started a podcast called Harmony and Healing Project. You know, and I'm, I'm hoping to do more and just get more information out there.

Like it just breaks my heart when parents feel helpless because I'm like, you're with that child in the house. What are you thinking will happen one day? You, you turn up and they've successfully done something. You know, it just.

Herb: 00:31:20

So in my coaching community, people tell me I'm brave for stuff like this, but for me it's just, it's just knowledge. So I can tell on myself really easy. So my son, I was picked on a lot in school. When my son got to school, he, he was autistic. He was picked on a lot.

And I wanted to help.

But what that did for me is it put me back in my high school times when I was picked on and I didn't know what to do and I didn't know how to get help. So I didn't know how to deal with my son getting help. So it shut me down just like it did in high school.

So I wasn't able to get my son the help he needed or to back him up because I still hadn't dealt with it.

And so that's a huge shame that I still have, that I wasn't able to protect my son more because I didn't know how to protect myself more when I was his age.

Kristina: 00:32:17

So, you know, if you're a parent, don't beat yourself up.

Herb: 00:32:24

You don't know if you. It's like. And as a coach, it's like, it's so weird that how many of my clients come to me and they're talking about the problems that I have.

They are saying, this is what's going on in my life. And I'm like, wow, that's going on in my life too. These are. There's only so many feelings.

There's billions of people, but there's only so many feelings. And. And people all experience the same feelings.

Kristina: 00:32:50

Yeah.

Herb: 00:32:50

Maybe different situations that lead to those feelings, but we all have the same. We all feel like we're not doing enough at some point. Absolutely sad. At some points.

We all feel like, wow, I really need help, and I'm not worth it at some times. And those are the times when it's like, if you knew other people felt that way, you would reach out and help them.

But in that moment, in that darkness, it's hard to see that light.

Ebi Oginni: 00:33:16

Yes. So you just mentioned something really important about how we all need coaches. We all need. Because we are human. Right.

So even as caregivers and as coaches ourselves, we still need to make sure we're also taken care of, and we need to make sure we're having someone that we can go to with our own stuff. It happens all the time. Where I'm a pediatrician, I can treat other people's kids no problem. And my child, I start to second guess my.

My clinical skills and my clinical decisions. I'm like, I can't do that. I can't treat my child. They do my head in.

So it's the exact same thing, you know, when it comes to us and our own emotions as well, because we might be able to help someone and then still struggle with that same problem. But, yeah, I think it's a really good point how we need to take care of ourselves so we can take care of our children.

And really breaking that fix, fix my child culture. I. I gave a talk at a teenage mental health conference to teachers and.

And the premise of the talk was, if they come to you with mental health struggles you have, you are in a unique position because they. They see you every day. They. They trusted You. That's why they came to you. They saw something in you. That's why they came to you. So, yes, they.

You may send them to get professional help from a counselor or from someone else, but you cannot. You cannot relinquish that responsibility. You have a job to do. Exactly. Exactly. So scheduling a time, scheduling a check in, talk.

And that's where the bridge, the gap course comes in, because I have a framework. You just go through it and, hey, did you do what we said we're going to do last week?

Did you do what you said you were going to do last week at the end of our conversation? Just check in? Because that is. That is powerful. The fact that.

I mean, many of us have teachers that we remember growing up that had such a tremendous impact on us. That's the sort of relationship you have as a teacher. And the same thing with parents.

So, yes, I know that we struggle as parents, but you have such an amazing responsibility. You know, you. You're their parent. You have the right makeup to help your child. And yes, it's hard, and, yes, you're struggling as well.

And yes, you have your own stuff, but no one else can do that for you because you are their parent.

Kristina: 00:36:06

Absolutely.

Herb: 00:36:07

Here's another. Here's another secret is you might be a parent, but most of the time, I still feel like a little kid. Like, I have no. What.

Kristina: 00:36:14

I'm.

Herb: 00:36:14

I have no idea what I'm doing, and I'm just pretending to be an adult, going along, doing the best I can, hoping nobody figures out that I really don't have any idea what I'm doing. And I'm. I'm seriously just making it up in every moment, hoping nobody finds out. But I hold it together, and it keeps going, and it seems to do okay.

So most of the time.

Kristina: 00:36:38

Yeah.

Herb: 00:36:38

So, yeah, if you're still waiting and wondering what you're gonna do. I'm 55. I'm still wondering what I'm gonna do when I grow up, because it's like I'm. I'm just a kid pretending.

Ebi Oginni: 00:36:51

Absolutely.

Herb: 00:36:52

It's like, when. When am I gonna. When am I gonna feel like I know what I'm doing? There might be. There might be a project.

I might, like, build something like, oh, I knew what I was doing there. How come I don't know what I'm doing with my life?

Ebi Oginni: 00:37:06

So, I mean, that's why healing the inner child is so important. Right? Like, those. Those exercises are such a big hit because we all have inner kids and us that need healing.

You know, we all have things that we need to work through and inside each and every one of us, they're still a child. And it's great because that child still wants to play sometimes. Right. Otherwise we won't be able to engage with our own kids as kids.

So, you know, it's just the beauty of life.

Herb: 00:37:37

We are like little children.

Kristina: 00:37:40

This has been such a wonderful conversation. I absolutely love this. And yeah, the passion. I can feel the passion and the heart that you give off all the time.

Can you make sure you say right now, how can people get a hold of you in case you have resonated with them? They know that they need your help with something. How is the best way for them to get a hold of you?

Ebi Oginni: 00:37:59

Yeah, absolutely. So there's going to be a, a website detail in the description, all the links and everything. Yeah, absolutely.

So if you are listening and you cannot click it is monetize your passion co. Okay. Slash squeeze. So if you go there, you can put in your info. You will get gift. It's a, it's a gift bundle and you will get the course as well.

And honestly, you'll get music. I'm gonna add music just, just for you. You get music.

Herb: 00:38:36

That's gonna be my next question is where can we find your music?

Kristina: 00:38:39

Or will you see?

Herb: 00:38:40

Do you have like a YouTube channel? What, what you got? Spotify. How do we find you?

Ebi Oginni: 00:38:46

Yes, I am on Spotify. I'm on all music platforms. Just search for ab Guinea. So that's EBI O G I N N I. Right. If you wanted to email me as well, it's abergini mail.com.

that is one. I have many emails. That's one easy one to remember. But yeah, message me. I'm also social media Abby as well.

But the most important thing is to click the link in the description because you're going to get an email from me. Then you can just reply to that email as well.

Kristina: 00:39:23

Beautiful. Awesome. Thank you so very, very much.

Ebi Oginni: 00:39:25

Oh, wow.

Kristina: 00:39:26

I like I said I love this conversation. I love that connection between music and the mental health and really, you know, really looking at music as that lift up. Right.

We can do so much with music. We can let it bring it down, bring us down, but we can also lift us up. And like you said, your hope is that it also can bridge conversations.

Ebi Oginni: 00:39:45

Yes.

Kristina: 00:39:45

Between families. So thank you so very, very much for doing this with us today, for sharing all these wonderful things. I really appreciate it.

Herb: 00:39:52

Yes. Thank you for being here.

It has been so wonderful to talk to you and Again, so many people see problems in the world and they don't do anything about it. And you are out here and you're changing. It's like you're not only doing a doctor, but you're writing music for other people. So far out of.

Of what's expected that, you know, you went out. That's the hero's journey. You went out, you fought your dragons, you come back, and you're shooting, sharing your wealth of knowledge and.

And that's really what it's all about. And that's why we're here today. So thank you for being here today. You are a hero. It is wonderful having.

Ebi Oginni: 00:40:25

Thanks for saying that. Thank you so much for having me. It was such a great conversation, too. Thank you.

Kristina: 00:40:30

You are very, very welcome. All right, audience, you know what to do. It is time to, like, subscribe, leave reviews, all of that good stuff. Make sure you share, right?

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So until next time, please take care, share the music, share the love, and we will talk to you next week. All right, bye for now, everyone.