S2EP18-Daniela Dohnert-Empowering Teens: A Super Parent's Guide to Open Conversations!

Herb: 00:00:20

Today I have the pleasure of introducing Daniela Dohnert. Daniela is a visual artist, life coach, and mother from Venezuela with a deep passion for empowering teenagers.

Through her education, she discovered the transformative power of perspective in communication and self esteem.

Having experienced firsthand the benefits of these perspective shifts in her own relationships with her teenage children, she is dedicated to helping families foster stronger, more meaningful connections. Welcome, Daniela. It is a pleasure to have you here.

It is so important today for parents to learn how to communicate and have connections with their children. So thank you for joining us.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:00:58

Well, thank you for inviting me.

Kristina: 00:01:01

Excellent. Yeah. And you know, we've had lots of different experts on our channel. Bringing education home is all about bringing in new perspectives, new ideas.

So what you're going to talk about today is perfect. Can you jump in and start out with why? What is your passion?

How did you land on this as the thing that you need to talk about with people on podcasts and other things?

Daniela Dohnert: 00:01:23

Okay, so I can tell you that one of the reasons is that I see that the, the teenage years are years that are very vulnerable for the kids because they're going through so many hormonal changes. There's so many things going on, and sometimes as parents, we're not completely present.

We are doing our own stuff, and then we get home, we're tired, we react.

And the way, if we don't really listen to the children, for some children, what happens is that then they go on and they take on some behavior that is not beneficial for them or for others. And I've seen it in the news a lot.

And in my view, most of those kids, if somebody, even if it wasn't their parents, but if somebody had heard what they were saying and giving them, gave them some perspective on the fact that you're feeling this now, and in two years you won't remember that you were feeling this, just, you know, process it, let it out, then a lot of lives would be saved. So the real. My real mission is to save. To save. At least if I save even one life, I'm happy.

That's, that's why I think it's important is because those are years where, yeah, children want attention at that time. Well, we, we all want attention at any point in time. Otherwise, you know, that's part of the human needs to be.

To feel important and to feel that you're recognized. And when the hormones are just at its peak, you never know how things might shift in a direction that is not beneficial.

Kristina: 00:03:05

Yeah, so you said, you know, saving at least, you know, any life One life, right. Is that part of your story? Have you had an experience where you've lost someone? Or is it just something that.

So near to your heart that you really want to make sure that it's out there?

Daniela Dohnert: 00:03:21

Look, I. This, it seems unrelated, but I have had experiences with several people, but it has been more in terms of suicide that have committed suicide.

And they have not been teenagers. So some of them are already parents. And they, they do this, of course, their kids.

There's an impact on the children long term, especially on the way of dealing when things get very stressful. And then some kids that have, have lost their lives very, very young for different reasons that are close to me as well.

So that's part of, part of the reason now that I know of a teenager that has taken their life. I mean, I know somebody in the community, but I didn't know him directly and he thought it was a kind of game and he ended up losing his life.

So it's, it is things like that, like those things and other in communities close by that I heard on the news, just some, some ideas and it's all a matter of perspective. That some guy is going out with your ex girlfriend and you start thinking, you know, why is he going out with her? Is there something wrong?

And then from there it's like a snowball effect. Things get blown off. The reality is not no longer real. And what happens in the end is a lot of people suffering.

Kristina: 00:04:45

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And this, you know, unfortunately we've had those rates skyrocket in the last few years.

And so like you said, just changing that perspective and really looking at things, I liken it to.

Whenever I'm talking with the younger students, because after being a teacher and working with all the young ones for so long, is that if we model what we're thinking and we model kind of how we're addressing things, then those younger students get to understand, oh, well, she's thinking about this. And so that's why they, she did that activity or that, you know, decision around that certain situation.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:05:21

Yes.

Kristina: 00:05:21

So like in the classroom, I was always like, you know, when we line up and we line up in this certain way, it's because when we go in the hallway, we want to be respectful of other people and their space and the noise and everything so everybody can learn those kinds of things. So that thinking out loud. And I'm wondering if that's kind of what you do when you say you're helping people kind of shift their perspectives.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:05:41

It's a, it's In a way, it's what I, what I do mostly is that I have them take a look at a situation that they're not okay with and then I have them stand in as if they were a bird looking at the situation and then describe the situation from the point of view of the bird. The bird only sees the facts. Like there's an accident, right? Two cars crash, there's somebody going by here. The person going by here sees something.

One driver sees another thing and the other driver sees another thing. But a bird from above only sees one object, another object. They go against each other. The rest is story.

And the way that we decide to tell the story to ourselves is what impacts our emotions. So there is the action, then there's a story that comes from it, and then there's the emotion.

So if, if you can change your emotion, you can choose how you feel. Like you can choose to get really upset because you, you lose one fingernail. That was not, that was not, you know, those stick on fingernails.

You can choose to be really upset and cry all day because of that, or you can choose to say, well, I'll put on another one. And it's from the same act, two different perspectives.

The outcome is completely different for you and for everybody around you because if you decide to be miserable, you're going to make everybody else miserable.

It's your, you know, we, we as humans tend to want to share our feelings with others and sometimes that means having them feel the same way we're feeling and it's not necessarily healthy, but we do it, you know, it's, it's just instinct. So, well, what to do there. So that's, that's how I see it. And in terms of the communication between parents and children, it's more about a.

Teaching parents how to listen, leaving outside the fact that they are the parent just listening as if they were listening to their sister or brother and not not wanting to fix things all the time unless they're being asked for their opinion. If you're not being asked for your opinion, do not give your opinion.

Otherwise you, not only will they do exactly the opposite of what you say should be done, because that's in those years. We want to show that we're independent and we can make up our mind. So if your opinion is not asked, it's better just to not give it.

But then you know, you will know what's going on because they're telling you so you, you can be prepared for anything.

Herb: 00:08:22

So I, I follow a gentleman named Jordan Peterson and Jordan Peterson Talks about how people need to talk. Because talking helps clarify your thinking.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:08:33

Yes.

Herb: 00:08:33

And so a lot of children nowadays are in their classroom, they're told to sit still and be quiet. And at home it's like, oh, dad got home and now you need to be quiet.

And so they're never given this opportunity to speak and to think and then to actually have their thoughts out there. So what you're talking about is so very important. And it's like you don't listen to your children all of the time to fix their problems.

You listen to them so that they can figure out what their problems are and try and figure, work through them some of that on their own as well. So it's not just so.

So listening is so important because your children need to talk so that they can think, so they can get their thoughts out there and see how they play in the universe as well.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:09:19

Yeah, well, it's exactly like many. If you think about when you go to any shop that you're looking for something and the shop attendant asks you, what do you want?

While you're explaining it, you yourself become clear of what it is I want and do I really need it, or will I settle for something different? But if, then nobody asks you, you might just look at things and say, no, none of this was it because nobody had a conversation with you.

So conversations are extremely important. And especially, it's not only that kids are told not to talk, there's also the social media aspect that affects it to a certain degree.

They're getting more used to texting than to talking, some of them. And it's. It also varies. I've noticed some boys tend to be a little bit more quiet. That doesn't mean they can't talk. And I'm.

I'm saying this generally, it's not every. Evidently, not every boy is the same. But it's a. If you don't ask them, they will not share. So it's a. It's especially important not to.

Not to assume, oh, he's just a teen, you know, it's a teen thing, he'll go over it. But have a conversation, any little thing, and ask your kids every day, how was your day? How are you feeling?

If they don't want to share anything, if they say, oh, it's fine, okay. But eventually one day they'll share something and at least they know that you're there asking.

If you don't ask, it's the same as saying, I don't care, you know, don't tell me, because really, I Don't have time for you.

Kristina: 00:10:54

So, yeah, it's one of those things that, you know, if you're asking, if you're showing interest, right, Then that's when they will definitely open up. And hopefully this has been a process from when they were little. Right. We want to bring it down below the teenage years.

So that is already established when we get to the teenage years. But if it's not established at that point, what do you do?

How do you start establishing that communication so that they will open up to you and they will respond when you ask those questions?

Daniela Dohnert: 00:11:20

Well, the first thing to do if you are already some. Some parents have a relationship with their young people, even from when they're young, that is very imposing.

Like when the child says certain things, there's a scream that goes back and then there's a scream coming the other way. So it's. It's very much on a. It's not really aggressive because it's not necessarily that they're aggressive words, but it's like hard.

Kristina: 00:11:47

Yes.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:11:47

And the first thing is to lower your tone. Start lowering your tone and start realizing what it is that is having you react as a parent and look at that.

Because if you don't take care of yourself, of your own things that are inside of you, you're just going to put them on the. On the child, and that's all they're going to learn. And so they, if you get triggered, they get triggered in return.

And it's just, you know, two balls going against each other and nobod, nobody gets out alive, basically. But if, if you start just saying, okay, I'm getting triggered. Let me take a breath and take a breath, okay, and let me stop.

And maybe I tell them, okay, wait a second, give me a second. And now, okay, what were you telling me? And make it a point to listen. Don't speak.

Even, Even if you start with three minutes a day, three minutes is better than nothing. So you start with that until you get more used to it. You get more comfortable to listening without spe.

And then eventually the relationship will change. It doesn't change unless somebody changes it.

And you cannot expect your son or daughter to change it because it's not their responsibility at that time. They're dealing with a whole bunch of other things that you've already dealt with.

Kristina: 00:13:07

I like how you explain that because, I mean, some families just get in the habit of. They're not yelling at each other, but they're talking to each other from the other room. Right.

Or they aren't close Enough to actually get, you know, see the person as they're talking. So this, that loud voice and that just kind of continues to escalate. And you know, I've been guilty of it.

And her would point out, I was like, you know, the boys are in the other room. Why don't you go in there and ask them the question instead of shouting it from the other room?

Or hey, why don't you actually go in and listen to what they're kind of saying? And then just to tell on myself, I've had a few hearing issues and it's been so important.

Once I realized that it's like I'm not hearing everything they're saying. So I need to be closer so I really understand what they're saying. Oh, don't go there.

But yeah, you know, if you notice that it's always a high level conversation. Get closer. Bring it down just like you were saying.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:13:59

Exactly. Bring, bring the, the tone, bring the tone down. Start by bringing the tone down and start by maybe practicing.

It's important to eat at least one meal, even if it's one once a week with the whole family. Because that's a time, you know, meals are a time when everybody's putting food in their mouth.

Yes, but that means also there is some quiet so people can, one person can speak and then the other person speaks. And make it a point to model also not speaking while they are speaking. If you see that they're taking very long.

Because when, when you're not used to being asked what you think and you start explaining, you take a really long time to explain even one little thing. Because you need to get used to it. So while you're getting used to it. Yeah, while you're getting used to it.

You know, maybe when, when the person goes over like the first five minutes of what they were saying, you can say, oh, and you kind of summarize it in a sentence. So this is what. And they say yes.

And so then they will carry on to the next part also so that they know that you're listening, that you're not, you're not just there putting food in your mouth and blocking every, everybody out. Like some people just. Sorry, I just got an image. This is something my, my, my father would concentrate a lot when he ate.

So he would be basically looking down. Everybody around him was almost non existent. So you had to wait until he would lift his head and then you.

Kristina: 00:15:32

Could have, have a conversation that totally makes sense.

Herb: 00:15:37

So you know, in this day and age, a lot of these words that you're using are becoming more well known. But there's a lot of people out there who don't necessarily know what it means to be triggered or what it means to. To.

To do the work on themselves first. And so just. I, you know, I'll help clarify that a little bit here too. But, but being triggered is if somebody says something and you get mad, it's.

It's not their fault that you got mad. There's something going on in your life that those words triggered. Triggered. That's where the word caused you to be uncomfortable.

But it's not the person who said its fault. There's something in your past, there's a hidden trauma in your life that when this situation comes up, your body reacts in a certain way.

And so if your children trigger you, like, if you're going along and your kid says something and suddenly you're angry, then it's not always necessarily what the kid. Child has done.

There's something going on within you, and you need to figure out why that is in yourself so that you cannot get angry at that because you know that that's not doing anybody any good. So it's like, oh, when my son talks back, I get really angry. And now I want to, like, yell at my kid.

And these aren't necessarily healthy interactions. So if.

If you're working with somebody who doesn't understand what being triggered is, has never done any of this work, how do you start with that person to bring that mindfulness into their life? Because there's another word that most people don't understand is that mindfulness. How do you get them to start understanding that? Because that.

That is such an important little part of all of this.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:17:30

So what I usually use is I ask them what happened, like what was said or what did they smell? Because sometimes it can also be by a smell or a tone of voice before they had that emotion. So did they. Is it that a word that a person said to them?

Is it a sound that they heard? Is it that they were just coming home from somewhere in particular when they had a strong reaction to what was happening?

So that's the way I explain triggered. It's like something happens that makes you have a reaction. That's that.

And whatever happens is because it's reminding you, like you said, it's reminding you of something in your past, maybe something from when you were young, or maybe something even from earlier that day. Maybe you had a discussion with your boss and you got upset by it and you never let it out.

And now when you get home and you hear something similar or a similar tone of voice, you associate it unconsciously with your boss and you say, you know, when you react as if it was your boss and you don't realize it's not actually, it's not actually your boss in front of you. It's, it's a, it's a younger person. That, that is, that is one thing in terms of, triggered now in terms of mindfulness.

Mindfulness, I think is just being in the moment. That's what the, the gist of mindfulness is. If you're able to be in the moment.

And that doesn't mean like I'm here with you, but if I'm here talking to you, thinking about something else, then my body is here, but I'm not here, my mind is somewhere else.

So have your mind and your body in the same place and your full mind, which is, that is something that is extremely challenging because you know, often we're here sitting and then we're talking to someone and while we're talking to them we're thinking, oh, you know, I need to make sure that I pick, pick this person up in five minutes and that I need to get this conversation right.

So all that thinking is actually taking you away from the conversation that you're having with the person because your mind is already getting prepared for the next five minutes. And that is time.

That is precious time because you, I mean nobody of us, none of us know when something might happen that maybe you won't get it to the next five minutes. So you might as well enjoy the five minutes you have right now in front of this person. It's a, at least that's how I see it.

That's how I've seen it more just from news I've heard recently from friends.

Herb: 00:20:12

And if you think you get good at that, go sit with a five year old and try and be present and do that with a five year old. And then within five or ten minutes you will be absolutely exhausted and realize you have to do a lot more work.

So in a way, sometimes that's actually how you check out is because it, it sometimes is really difficult to be fully present with a young person because the amount of novelty and the amount of brain power that you have to use is, is super, super exhausting with a young child. So, so and that kind of then starts maybe building a learning process and of not listening to your kids because you can't handle that, that yourself.

So again, that gotta, you gotta play with that because it is so important for Your children to know that you hear them as well. So it's important that they talk, but it's also important that you hear them.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:21:06

And another important thing, at least I find it important, is there are some people that want to.

They don't want to let their kids know that they sometimes get upset, like get sad, or that they get angry sometimes and they hide it from the children. And I don't think that's healthy, to be honest, because the way that younger people learn to express their emotions is when they see their parents.

Because at school, when another kid is crying at school, what happens. It's not really a healthy reaction of everybody around them. Either the teachers are like, oh, honey, what's going on?

So it's like, oh, there's something wrong, or the other kids are making fun of him. So it's not. It's not a healthy reaction to being able to cry. So showing someone that it's okay to cry, it means nothing.

Crying really is just water coming out of your face. And if you feel like crying, there's no reason why you shouldn't cry. It's a. It's actually healthier to cry or to.

If you get angry, there is no reason why you shouldn't go to your room and just scream at the. At the pillow and bang the pillow a couple of times until you release that anger, and then you come out and that's it. The. The pillow has the anger.

I let it all out. I let it go. But it's a. It's a. I. As long as it's an inanimate object, don't let it out on something that's living. Don't let it out.

Kristina: 00:22:37

Yeah. Yeah.

That's one of the things we talk about with parents as well, is like, you know, your kids are learning so much more than what you're speaking at them. They're watching your emotions or watching your actions. You are their role model.

And so the way you deal with things is oftentimes how they will deal with things when they get older or when they're, you know, stressed kind of thing. So that's why it's super important to have strong relationships and to make sure that you are asking those questions. How are you doing?

Or what happened today? Yes, all those kinds of things.

And that's actually one of the things I wanted to kind of skirt back around, because so many people use that question kind of as a throwaway. How was your day? What happened today? And then you don't really get a response.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:23:20

Right.

Kristina: 00:23:21

So how do we get to those teenagers who've heard this for a long time is that. That's a question I hear all the time. I don't really want to engage with that question.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:23:30

So that's the point where you ask not only how. How did the day go, but what did you do? There you go. Try switching up the question every now and then. Don't ask the same question every day.

So what did you do? Or did how? Which teacher did you have if they were going to school? Or how was your boss? How was your coworker? Ask about somebody else.

That will let them know that you're interested. You're actually interested in what's going on. And then pay attention when they answer so that you know what is going on.

And the next day you can ask a relevant question. That's the way it kind of starts building. It's the same thing when you make a new friend.

When you make a new friend, you know, first you meet them, you find out what they do, and then the next time you see them, you ask them about what they shared with you the last time and then how things are going, and then the friendship starts growing from there. So it's as if you were making a new friend with. With your. With your child. Start starting from the beginning. You know, it's. It's.

It's not that you're crazy. It's just you're pretending you don't know the person in front of you. It's as if you put yourself in an actor's shoes.

So you're an actor, and you are acting as the parent you want to be, and you're listening to the child, and slowly you will become that parent just from acting. Every day that you are that parent, you will slowly become the actor. Yeah.

Kristina: 00:24:54

Yeah, exactly. And one of the things I like to say also. Oh, it just went out of my head. I don't know what I was gonna say. It just popped out of my head.

And that happens sometimes too.

Herb: 00:25:05

Too.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:25:05

Yes.

Kristina: 00:25:06

Oh, that's what it was. So, you know, our children do speak a different language. Lots of times. They either have a gaming language or a dance language or a sports language.

They speak things that we don't necessarily understand because we haven't done it right. But whenever they start coming to you with those things about, oh, yeah, in this game, this was happening. This was happening.

It's so hard to engage because you don't understand what they're talking about. But ask those clarifying questions. Tell me more about that. I don't quite understand that. Explain A little bit more. Right.

And really show that interest in what they're talking about.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:25:41

Yeah. Ask them what the, what the different words mean and the acronyms. Like, I can tell you, I have no idea what none of them. So whenever they're.

They're telling me something, I ask them, okay, so what was it that this meant? Okay. And who was it that said that? Okay. And then I ask as many times as I need to understand what it is that is actually going on.

The other thing I wanted to mention that was regarding parents, that whenever you have, like, a reaction and you make a mistake and you realize later, well, I shouldn't have had that reaction. It's very important also to clarify to the young person that you reacted in a way that was not the best, and just say, I'm sorry.

There's a saying I'm sorry goes a long way, even for things that we did years back. It's a. It's not. Don't. Don't just assume, oh, they won't remember it. Let's just brush it under the rug and, you know, forget about it. It's a.

Because things.

Things stay there and they, you know, even when you brush something under the rug and you look at it again, it's grown a whole bunch of things around it. So. And you don't want. You don't want that. It's a. Not nice.

Kristina: 00:26:55

That reminds me, because I did a summit talk once, and I talked about how, you know, sometimes children pick up on the children's emotions or they really see more than you letting them know about. Right. And you're hiding it from them because you don't want them to be hurt or whatever.

And one of the parents at the end said, you know, even though my children are grown, I'm going to go back and check in with them about when their father and I got divorced and how I handled it.

And if there's anything there that they need clarification on, because you're right, they acted a little bit different after things started happening, and I just brushed it on the rug because I didn't want them to know about certain things, but I want to go back and check in with them. And that parent actually responded back later.

And they're like, you know, the kids were really glad, even though they were adults, that I came back and checked in with them, because then they were able to ask a question that they didn't quite have clarity to, or they were able to tell me, no, I love the way you handle it. We understood what was going on.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:27:51

Yes, yes. That's a very important point that you're bringing, not only for how they react, but also when people believe some parents don't get along at all.

And it's like a little hell in the household when they're together, but they stay together for the sake of the kids. And actually that's not necessarily healthy.

They are not necessarily doing a favor to the kids because you're having them come home every day to an environment that is not nice. It would be a lot nicer if you were honest and say, you know, we're not getting along and it's hard because it's not.

It's like anything you, you might say. Logically you say it, it sounds very easy. And then when you're the one in those shoes, you think, oh, is this really right? Is this correct?

So it's hard. So also give yourself some grace when you make mistakes. You know, go back and be kind to yourself.

As we always, as parents, we need to be very kind to ourselves as well. It's another thing we need to emulate for the, for the children.

Kristina: 00:28:59

Absolutely beautiful. So as you're working with parents or actually it's about time to share. How do parents get a hold of you?

If what's something Daniela has said today that really sparked an interest, like, oh, you know what, I bet she could help me with this. How did they get a hold of you? How do they start working with you?

Daniela Dohnert: 00:29:16

Okay, so a parent can get a.

Hold a hold of me through my email is the best way to be Honest, which is danielladcoachingmail.com it's the easiest way because I would say my phone number. But to be honest, I have this thing on my phone that if it's a number that it's not recognized, it just doesn't ring. I never find out.

So there's no point giving my phone number to anyone. I only have my contacts there.

But when you, when somebody reaches me through email, then I can, you know, it's easier to then set up a conversation with them. And from there things can, things can flow and I can see if really I am the person that can help them with whatever is going on or not.

Because I know that I'm not the right person for everybody, for certain people. And I do have a way of going through, through my, of guiding people that tends to be a little bit more creative.

So that means I pull together things from many places probably because I'm a visual artist. And sometimes that involves also doing some art for them to find out what is going on really inside?

There are things that you don't know are there until you start writing and it comes out, or until you start drawing something. Not wanting to do. Like I tell you, oh, you know, why don't we do a drawing, a stick drawing of this and that.

And then when we're having the conversation about your stick drawing, that's when suddenly, oh, you know, this is why I did this stick drawing like this. That's when things come out. So. So art is actually a wonderful way to help people open up when they. When they don't want to open up to themselves.

Kristina: 00:31:03

I love that.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:31:05

To open up to others and not to themselves.

Kristina: 00:31:08

Oh, I love that, that you're bringing in the arts because, you know, there are different learning styles. There are different connection styles.

And so, you know, maybe you are one of those people who, you know, connect through words or songs or music or art, and this might be a great connection for you to work with. Daniella. Yeah. And of course, everything will be down in the show notes that you will be able to contact her there.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:31:29

Yes.

Kristina: 00:31:30

Yeah. Is there something that we haven't covered today that you really wanted to talk about?

Daniela Dohnert: 00:31:34

Let me think. Not that I. Not. Not that comes to my mind right now. So. So if anything comes up, you know what, I'll just put it in the comments to the. To.

To the podcast. That's it.

Kristina: 00:31:48

Beautiful. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, this podcast, bringing education Home, is all over the place.

It is on YouTube@vibrantfamilyeducation.com it's on Apple, Spotify, all those different places.

So absolutely use the podcast to connect with these beautiful experts that come and join us and help us every week, give tips and tricks to the families to keep growing and engaging and becoming stronger. All right, Daniela, this has been a wonderful conversation. Your last words kind of wrap it up.

What do you want to leave parents with as we're getting ready to end the show today?

Daniela Dohnert: 00:32:21

So my. What I want to leave all of you with is that you can become the parent that you want then that has that wonderful relationship with your.

With your children. But the children, when they get older and have their own families, will call you back and tell and ask you, you know, how did you do this?

How did you do that? Regardless of who you are right now, you can become that person if that is who you want to be.

But you have to be honest with yourself if that is really what you want, don't pretend to want something you don't. And if that's what you want, and you start today. It's completely feasible. In. In less than a year, you can be there.

You can have, like, you know, given up all those. All those behaviors that were not suiting you and taking on new ones and just. It's a matter of practice. It doesn't happen from one day to the other.

It's a matter of practice. Well, to be honest, I'm not a hypnotherapist, so I don't know, maybe hypnotherapists are able to do it, but I don't. So. Yeah.

Herb: 00:33:24

Yep. And, you know, don't wait until it's too late. You know, we. Our oldest.

Our youngest son doesn't talk to us anymore, and it's been quite a few years, and he's out of the house now. And so trying to establish communication when they're already gone makes it even harder.

So, you know, if you like your children, if you want them in your life for long term, you know, and you're not communicating well, get some help. Get started sooner than later. Thank you, Daniela, for being here today. Your. This topic is so very, very important.

Communication is a key to stronger families, and we don't have a lot of people out there helping with that right now. So there's so many people that it's like, oh, you have a kid, you know what to do. And it's like, there's no.

There's no parenting manual out there that really gives us what to do. And so we're all kind of out there on our own, and you're out there trying to help other people, and that makes you a hero.

So thank you very much for coming on our show today. Thank you for helping families. Thank you for helping create stronger families. That's kind of what our nation needs, and that's what. What.

What people need. So thank you for doing what you do, and thank you for being on our show today.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:34:30

Well, thank you very much for inviting me. I really enjoyed it, and I enjoyed the conversation. So.

Kristina: 00:34:37

Awesome. Yeah, we. We do, too. We love having this conversation and being. Bringing things out from people and sharing with families. So thank you so very much.

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Herb: 00:36:48

Bye for now.

Daniela Dohnert: 00:36:49

Bye.